Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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Children believe Santa Claus is coming. As an adult, do you believe Armageddon is coming?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Everybody sing along...

"Santa Clause is coming, to...

drop rocks from the sky to smash people's brains out,

and have birds peck their eyes out and eat their flesh.

Then we'll all have to bury their corpses, and then we'll

get pet lions and pandas, but we won't have time to pet

them because we'll be too busy building, cooking, sewing,

and teaching the resurrected. And the Grinch will get

locked up for a thousand years, but then get let loose

for a while to mislead some of the lion-petters and he'll

probably molest some bees while he's at it. Is that bad?"

I'm pretty sure that's one of the songs in the new JW songbook that was released about the time I left the cult.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"Now, devise an experiment that'll support it, and then we'll talk."

Would this qualify as an experiment proving the power of observation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ

You can't post stuff like that on the Internet if it isn't true. There's some woo for you

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

"From what I've gathered in reseaching that experiment, the sensors were fully working, they merely changed if it was saving/recording the data or not. If it was saved/recorded, they acted as expected, if they didn't, then they acted as the wave."

I guess I don't understand what experiment you're talking about. Do you have a link to a published and reviewed paper with data that has successfully been duplicated? Are you just talking about what's described in the youtube video?

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Believing It All EXCEPT...

by Ding in

i used to think that loyal jws bought into the wt teachings 100%.. that's certainly what the gb wants and expects and demands.. but then i encountered some jws who believe it all except for the opposition to higher education.. they think the gb is wrong about that, so all of the children are college educated.. others seem to believe it all but quietly celebrate family birthdays and various holidays.. these aren't people who are fading; they just ignore a few wt teachings that they don't like (despite the risks of being disciplined).. have you seen similar examples of active jws who are doing all the wt-approved stuff except for specific areas where they just ignore what the gb says is required?.

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Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"You can't criticize a "prostitute" for her life-choices, and then beg for "her" services!"

I love that line!

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Believing It All EXCEPT...

by Ding in

i used to think that loyal jws bought into the wt teachings 100%.. that's certainly what the gb wants and expects and demands.. but then i encountered some jws who believe it all except for the opposition to higher education.. they think the gb is wrong about that, so all of the children are college educated.. others seem to believe it all but quietly celebrate family birthdays and various holidays.. these aren't people who are fading; they just ignore a few wt teachings that they don't like (despite the risks of being disciplined).. have you seen similar examples of active jws who are doing all the wt-approved stuff except for specific areas where they just ignore what the gb says is required?.

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Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I didn't encounter any that said, "I don't believe...", or "I don't agree with..."

Usually they would use an excuse such as, "We aren't celebrating Thanksgiving (or whatever 'worldly' holiday), we're just taking advantage of all of us having the day off to get together to visit." Or, "Bethel is requesting nurses (or whatever), so our daughter is going to school in order to use her skills in bethel. So that makes it okay for her to go to school." In actuality, many of them never applied after getting their degrees.

Actually, the abundance of rules in bethel made it nearly impossible to get some things done. So we all jokingly spoke of "The Book of Angles". In order to get around all the restrictiving rules, you needed an "angle", some way to sidestep the bureaucracy. Among the first rules was to do what you wanted before asking whether it was right or wrong, because it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

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I'm Really Disappointed

by mrquik in

jw
friends

having been out 5 yrs.

& attending numerous christmas parties & family get togethers, i can't tell you how disappointed i am.

i was led to believe wild debauchery, drinking & fighting was the norm.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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I'm Really Disappointed

by mrquik in

jw
friends

having been out 5 yrs.

& attending numerous christmas parties & family get togethers, i can't tell you how disappointed i am.

i was led to believe wild debauchery, drinking & fighting was the norm.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I bumped my head and I hadn't had anything to drink yet. So Christmas is clearly the work of the devil.

I hear that Santa goes home Christmas morning with a sugar-induced hangover and an empty sack. Now that's gotta be a real "walk of shame."

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They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

as regards pursuing higher education?

the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Lot's of great observations. I love Julia's comment:

"Warren Jeffs and other cult leaders have done the same: cut people off from education. If you're uneducated and lack many vital life skills, you're not only less likely to question the cult, you are also physically dependent on it, like this DO."

It goes all the way up to the crazy 8 at the top. None of them are well-educated, and each of them have gotten to the top by nibbling, sipping, and kissing the right a$ses. They didn't get on the GB by having any original thoughts, they are just "yes" men.

They see no reason for any JW to be anything more than a janitor. And they see no reason why any JW would be concerned about health insurance, retirement, or a mortgage... because none of them have those concerns. They really are just ignorant cult leaders that want to cut people off from education.

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"How can girls guard against temptation in this sex-crazy world?"

by Apognophos in

this is from the questions from readers in the 12/15/61 watchtower.

i present it unabridged and without comment.

your own comments, however, are welcome.. "when a girl reaches the age of puberty or physical maturity, her body has developed in the matter of sex more than in the mind.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

"It's like the article was written by a Martian"

Read it in a conehead voice and it seems about right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGu2OQoSvUk

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I guess I'm not understanding why some people think that QM is a spiritually awakening experience.

The QM classes certainly didn't provide me any insight about the meaning of life, how to find true love, when armageddon is coming, is it ethical to own slaves, etc. And youtube videos like this just discuss some introductory theory without going into the math.

Just discussing theoretical physics without the math is like discussing disease without understanding viruses and the other "nuts and bolts" of how disease spreads. What happens when people only understand a little about illness and diseases? "Birth defects are because of the sin of the mother or the sins of the baby in the uterus. And seizures are caused by demon possession." Yeah, those ancient Jews taught by Jehovah really were medical geniuses.

If QM was supposed to teach me about god, then my classes about biology and biochemistry also taught me about god. You know, like this picture tells me a lot about god: